[ClusterLabs] #clusterlabs IRC channel

Digimer lists at alteeve.ca
Wed May 19 17:52:34 EDT 2021

On 2021-05-19 1:10 p.m., Digimer wrote:
> On 2021-05-19 12:58 p.m., Digimer wrote:
>> On 2021-05-19 12:55 p.m., kgaillot at redhat.com wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>> The ClusterLabs community has long used a #clusterlabs IRC channel on
>>> the popular IRC server freenode.net.
>>> As you may have heard, freenode recently had a mass exodus of staff and
>>> channels after a corporate buy-out that was perceived as threatening
>>> the user community's values.
>>> Many have moved to a new server, libera.chat, organized as a nonprofit.
>>> We have grabbed the #clusterlabs channel there to reserve the name.
>>> (Thanks, digimer!)
>>> Our options are to move #clusterlabs to libera.chat, find another
>>> public server, set up our own chat solution on clusterlabs.org, or
>>> continue using freenode until the dust settles.
>>> By coincidence, I've been investigating Phacility as an open-source
>>> project management tool for Pacemaker. I was already planning to set up
>>> a demo instance on clusterlabs.org Friday. Phacility has a suite of
>>> tools, including (web-based) chat, so I'll enable that, and we can
>>> experiment with it to see if it's worth considering.
>>> Opinions welcome. I'll follow up on this thread with any new
>>> developments.
>> Speaking to another dev, he suggested OFTC, who have been around for 20
>> years, host other big open source projects, and has no connection to the
>> freenode drama. For all these reasons, I'd like to change my suggestion
>> to OFTC. As with libera.chat, I've setup and registered the channels the
>> community use there as well.
>> So as of right now, I've got things setup on both networks, and will go
>> with whatever the majority chooses. For me personally, my votes are now
>> +1 to oftc and -1 to libera.chat.
> I saw that #centos is moving to libera.chat, so I asked what helped them
> make their decision;
> ====
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 01:01:57PM -0400, Digimer wrote:
>> Has the CentOS community considered OFTC? If so, I'm curious what made
>> libera.chat win out. I have no horse in the race of either, and ask to
>> see if I'm missing arguments for/against OFTC or libera.
> It's a different culture and oftc is unable to scale the way that the
> sponsor model of libera allows.  It's also _all_ the same staff from
> freenode as of this morning.  Same operational mode.  Same commands.
> Same culture.  Same trust established with working with the staffers
> over many years.
> It appears that Fedora is moving to libera as well:
> https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/371
> I expect some of the other Red Hat-based project channels
> (#anaconda, for instance) will also move but this is merely a hunch.
> ====
> Argument(s) for Libera

Looks like most channels are going to Libera, so I'm modifying my vote
back to +1 for libera and -1 to OFTC.

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