[ClusterLabs] #clusterlabs IRC channel

Digimer lists at alteeve.ca
Wed May 19 13:10:09 EDT 2021

On 2021-05-19 12:58 p.m., Digimer wrote:
> On 2021-05-19 12:55 p.m., kgaillot at redhat.com wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> The ClusterLabs community has long used a #clusterlabs IRC channel on
>> the popular IRC server freenode.net.
>> As you may have heard, freenode recently had a mass exodus of staff and
>> channels after a corporate buy-out that was perceived as threatening
>> the user community's values.
>> Many have moved to a new server, libera.chat, organized as a nonprofit.
>> We have grabbed the #clusterlabs channel there to reserve the name.
>> (Thanks, digimer!)
>> Our options are to move #clusterlabs to libera.chat, find another
>> public server, set up our own chat solution on clusterlabs.org, or
>> continue using freenode until the dust settles.
>> By coincidence, I've been investigating Phacility as an open-source
>> project management tool for Pacemaker. I was already planning to set up
>> a demo instance on clusterlabs.org Friday. Phacility has a suite of
>> tools, including (web-based) chat, so I'll enable that, and we can
>> experiment with it to see if it's worth considering.
>> Opinions welcome. I'll follow up on this thread with any new
>> developments.
> Speaking to another dev, he suggested OFTC, who have been around for 20
> years, host other big open source projects, and has no connection to the
> freenode drama. For all these reasons, I'd like to change my suggestion
> to OFTC. As with libera.chat, I've setup and registered the channels the
> community use there as well.
> So as of right now, I've got things setup on both networks, and will go
> with whatever the majority chooses. For me personally, my votes are now
> +1 to oftc and -1 to libera.chat.

I saw that #centos is moving to libera.chat, so I asked what helped them
make their decision;

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 01:01:57PM -0400, Digimer wrote:
> Has the CentOS community considered OFTC? If so, I'm curious what made
> libera.chat win out. I have no horse in the race of either, and ask to
> see if I'm missing arguments for/against OFTC or libera.

It's a different culture and oftc is unable to scale the way that the
sponsor model of libera allows.  It's also _all_ the same staff from
freenode as of this morning.  Same operational mode.  Same commands.
Same culture.  Same trust established with working with the staffers
over many years.

It appears that Fedora is moving to libera as well:


I expect some of the other Red Hat-based project channels
(#anaconda, for instance) will also move but this is merely a hunch.

Argument(s) for Libera

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