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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/24/2017 05:37 PM, Kristián
Feldsam wrote:<br>
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I personally think that power off node by switched pdu is more
safe, or not?<br class="">
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True if that is working in you environment. If you can't do a
physical setup<br>
where you aren't simultaneously loosing connection to both your node
and<br>
the switch-device (or you just want to cover cases where that
happens)<br>
you have to come up with something else.<br>
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<div class="">On 24 Jul 2017, at 17:27, Klaus Wenninger <<a
href="mailto:kwenning@redhat.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">kwenning@redhat.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">On 07/24/2017 05:15
PM, Tomer Azran wrote:<br class="">
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cite="mid:ED2704A50931F4F2.eb2f670f-325b-44a4-adc1-cf9a7c1b915f@mail.outlook.com"
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background-color: white;" class="">I still don't
understand why the qdevice concept doesn't help on this
situation. Since the master node is down, I would expect
the quorum to declare it as dead.<br class="">
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happens?</div>
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<span style="font-family: Baskerville; font-size: 16px;
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class="">That is not how quorum works. It just limits the
decision-making to the quorate subset of the cluster.</span><br
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<span style="font-family: Baskerville; font-size: 16px;
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class="">Still the unknown nodes are not sure to be down.</span><br
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<span style="font-family: Baskerville; font-size: 16px;
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class="">That is why I suggested to have quorum-based
watchdog-fencing with sbd.</span><br style="font-family:
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<span style="font-family: Baskerville; font-size: 16px;
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class="">That would assure that within a certain time all
nodes of the non-quorate part</span><br
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<pre class="">On 2017-07-24 07:51, Tomer Azran wrote:
> We don't have the ability to use it.
> Is that the only solution?
No, but I'd recommend thinking about it first. Are you sure you will
care about your cluster working when your server room is on fire? 'Cause
unless you have halon suppression, your server room is a complete
write-off anyway. (Think water from sprinklers hitting rich chunky volts
in the servers.)
Dima
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