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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for your response,  some
comments:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>So, if we cannot load a persistent configuration after a restart of
the all nodes in a cluster, how does one automatically configure a (rebooted)
unattended cluster with a known set of resources?  Is it expected that a
person will reconfigure a cluster if all nodes in the cluster were to reboot?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>If I’m trying to reduce the DC election time during a
complete cluster reboot, so how can I load the dc-deadtime before a DC is
elected?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Thanks, that’s was the problem<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>I’m sure your method will work, but the syntax that I used is
right out of the documentation for pacemaker (example 6.16 of Pacemaker 1.0,
Configuration explained”), so I don’t see what’s wrong with
it.  Regardless, I’ll use your method.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>-Frank<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Frank DiMeo
[mailto:Frank.DiMeo@bigbandnet.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 18, 2009
4:28 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> pacemaker@oss.clusterlabs.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Pacemaker] getting
started</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for you response,  some
comments:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>   </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>So, if we cannot load a persistent configuration after a restart of
the all nodes in the cluster, how does one automatically configure an
(rebooted) unattended cluster with a known set of resources?  Is it
expected that a person will reconfigure a cluster if it were to all nodes in
the cluster were to reboot?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>6)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>   </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>If I’m trying to reduce the DC election time during a
complete cluster reboot, so how can I load the dc-deadtime before a DC is
elected?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>7)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>   </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Thanks, that’s was the problem<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>8)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>   </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>I’m sure your method will work, but the syntax that I used is
right out of the documentation for pacemaker (example 6.16 of Pacemaker 1.0,
Configuration explained”), so I don’t see what’s wrong with
it.  Regardless, I’ll use your method.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>-Frank<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> hj lee
[mailto:kerdosa@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 18, 2009
4:12 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> pacemaker@oss.clusterlabs.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Pacemaker] getting
started</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>1) Is there a way to start pacemaker and specify an xml file as the
startup configuration?  Right now, I start openais/pacemaker, wait for DC
election, then run cibadmin to load the file.  That's fine for now, but I
want to automate this eventually.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <br>
I don't think it's possible.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2) Is there any way to shorten the time for DC election?  I was
hoping to be able to specify a cluster-delay shorter than 60s by loading an xml
file at startup, and thereby shorten this election time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
crm configure property dc-deadtime=10s<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>3) I can't seem to specify either an rsc_defaults or op_defaults
section in an xml file.  When I try to specify rsc_defaults for instance,
syslog shows:<br>
<br>
ov 18 08:57:57 ubuntu_1 cibadmin: [27658]: info: Invoked: cibadmin --replace
--xml-file 2rcordered_1_sticky.xml<br>
Nov 18 08:57:57 ubuntu_1 cib: [27081]: ERROR: Extra element rsc_defaults in
interleave<br>
Nov 18 08:57:57 ubuntu_1 cib: [27081]: ERROR: Element configuration failed to
validate content<br>
Nov 18 08:57:57 ubuntu_1 cib: [27081]: ERROR: Element cib failed to validate
content<br>
Nov 18 08:57:57 ubuntu_1 cib: [27081]: WARN: cib_perform_op: Updated CIB does
not validate against pacemaker-1.0 schema/dtd<br>
Nov 18 08:57:57 ubuntu_1 cib: [27081]: WARN: cib_diff_notify: Update (client:
cibadmin, call:2): 0.7.3 -> 3.29.1 (Update does not conform to the
configured schema/DTD)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <br>
As the log suggested, the xml does not comform to pacemaker RelaxNG schema. If
you look /usr/share/pacemaker/pacemaker-1.0.rng, the rsc_defaults requires
element name "meta_attributes". So please change it to this: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <rsc_defaults><br>
      <meta_attributes id="testid"><br>
      <nvpair id="rsc-default-1"
name="resource-stickiness" value="100"/><br>
      </meta_attributes><br>
  </rsc_defaults><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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4) I'm trying to specify two collocated resources that don't have any startup
dependency.  When I use the syntax:<br>
<br>
   <constraints><br>
     <rsc_colocation id="coloc-1"
score="INFINITY"><br>
       <resource_set id="collocated-set-1"
sequential="false"><br>
         <resource_ref id="eyes"/><br>
         <resource_ref id="clock"/><br>
       </resource_set><br>
     </rsc_colocation><br>
   </constraints><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>It does not seem correct. Please use crm configure command to configure
the cluster rather than xml until you you become very famillar with it.<br>
crm configure colocation coloc-1 inf: clock eyes<br>
Isn't it much simpler?<br>
<br>
 Thanks<br>
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