[ClusterLabs] #clusterlabs IRC channel

[kgaillot at redhat.com]

Without further comments, we've gone ahead with Libera.Chat as the new
home of #clusterlabs. There is a new wiki page with the channel
details:

 https://wiki.clusterlabs.org/wiki/ClusterLabs_IRC_channel

so we can just point to that in documentation and such. That way, the
info only needs to be updated in one place whenever it changes.

On Wed, 2021-05-19 at 17:52 -0400, Digimer wrote:
> On 2021-05-19 1:10 p.m., Digimer wrote:
> > On 2021-05-19 12:58 p.m., Digimer wrote:
> > > On 2021-05-19 12:55 p.m., kgaillot at redhat.com wrote:
> > > > Hello all,
> > > > 
> > > > The ClusterLabs community has long used a #clusterlabs IRC
> > > > channel on
> > > > the popular IRC server freenode.net.
> > > > 
> > > > As you may have heard, freenode recently had a mass exodus of
> > > > staff and
> > > > channels after a corporate buy-out that was perceived as
> > > > threatening
> > > > the user community's values.
> > > > 
> > > > Many have moved to a new server, libera.chat, organized as a
> > > > nonprofit.
> > > > We have grabbed the #clusterlabs channel there to reserve the
> > > > name.
> > > > (Thanks, digimer!)
> > > > 
> > > > Our options are to move #clusterlabs to libera.chat, find
> > > > another
> > > > public server, set up our own chat solution on clusterlabs.org,
> > > > or
> > > > continue using freenode until the dust settles.
> > > > 
> > > > By coincidence, I've been investigating Phacility as an open-
> > > > source
> > > > project management tool for Pacemaker. I was already planning
> > > > to set up
> > > > a demo instance on clusterlabs.org Friday. Phacility has a
> > > > suite of
> > > > tools, including (web-based) chat, so I'll enable that, and we
> > > > can
> > > > experiment with it to see if it's worth considering.
> > > > 
> > > > Opinions welcome. I'll follow up on this thread with any new
> > > > developments.
> > > 
> > > Speaking to another dev, he suggested OFTC, who have been around
> > > for 20
> > > years, host other big open source projects, and has no connection
> > > to the
> > > freenode drama. For all these reasons, I'd like to change my
> > > suggestion
> > > to OFTC. As with libera.chat, I've setup and registered the
> > > channels the
> > > community use there as well.
> > > 
> > > So as of right now, I've got things setup on both networks, and
> > > will go
> > > with whatever the majority chooses. For me personally, my votes
> > > are now
> > > +1 to oftc and -1 to libera.chat.
> > 
> > I saw that #centos is moving to libera.chat, so I asked what helped
> > them
> > make their decision;
> > 
> > ====
> > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 01:01:57PM -0400, Digimer wrote:
> > > 
> > > Has the CentOS community considered OFTC? If so, I'm curious what
> > > made
> > > libera.chat win out. I have no horse in the race of either, and
> > > ask to
> > > see if I'm missing arguments for/against OFTC or libera.
> > 
> > It's a different culture and oftc is unable to scale the way that
> > the
> > sponsor model of libera allows.  It's also _all_ the same staff
> > from
> > freenode as of this morning.  Same operational mode.  Same
> > commands.
> > Same culture.  Same trust established with working with the
> > staffers
> > over many years.
> > 
> > It appears that Fedora is moving to libera as well:
> > 
> > https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/371
> > 
> > 
> > I expect some of the other Red Hat-based project channels
> > (#anaconda, for instance) will also move but this is merely a
> > hunch.
> > ====
> > 
> > Argument(s) for Libera
> 
> Looks like most channels are going to Libera, so I'm modifying my
> vote
> back to +1 for libera and -1 to OFTC.
> 
-- 
Ken Gaillot <kgaillot at redhat.com>